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Technical views on the Cetus
After my experiences with the Cetus in the second half of 2009, it's about time now to describe some technical details about her before finishing my testperiod with the Cetus.

The hull
The Cetus has a rather rounded underwatership with flat midsection and a sharp bow. Furthermore the hull is given a swedeform shape which helps making it a fast kayak.

Deck layout


The decklines are not very thick, but thick enough. They start and end close to the cockpit: also aside of the day-compartment, which is rather remarkable as most modern kayaks have the decklines never aside of the hatch. This feature gives full access to decklines in whatever situation and wherever you grab for lines. :-)
Elastic shockcords are available at the required places.
And, very tidy, the toggles are held in position by a shockcord; standard!

The compass is recessed nicely in the deck just before the front-hatch. This position is nowadays rather common, but for me as wearer of glasses a bit more close by is welcome.
  


The fourth hatch is handy for direct access during trips. But it has also consequences as described below under "cockpit".

The hatches are round and big enough to put your head (mine fits) inside.

Just behind the cockpit P&H constructed, as on most of there other kayaks, a groove wherein your paddle-shaft fits to form a paddlebridge.



Cockpit
The seat is very comfortable and has a separate liner offering some isolation and elasticity.


One drawback is that after some time this liner moves a little while edging the kayak. This can be fixed with some velcro like on the picture left.


When you like perfect hip-contact and your hips are not wide enough to contact the seat, you will have to do some creative work to make the seat a bit narrower. May be it is possible to add some filling underneath of the seat-liner next to your hips. Remember it is important to have good hip-contact in a large kayak like this.

Because the seat is positioned quite aft in the cockpit and the deck being rather high, it is not easy to do a layback while rolling.

The knee grips are comfortable and provide good grip and control over the kayak. It is however advised to improve the grip by adding a thin layer of foam like you sea underneath:
 


Furthermore the cockpit is, with its 87 x 51cm, big enough for easy entrance and exit.

The footrests are easily adjustable even when seated by means of a stick you can turn. They are more comfortable than the former (type J&R) small adjustable footrests because now the surface, where your feet rest, is much bigger which results in better spreading out of the forces on your feet.
As I had the experience that one footrests moved by itself out of reach of my foot, I would like to advice to check always if you locked them properly. My fault was, may be, having done the locking wrong.

When you want to install a foot-operated pump inside the cockpit, the bad news is that this will be impossible once the kayak is ready: the 4th-compartment, just in front of the cockpit, makes it impossible to work inside the cockpit. You will have to order your Cetus with a factory installed footpump on a front bulkhead positioned at your leg-length
But be aware: When you have rather short legs there is a chance that you will not be able to operate the pump because the compartment prevents to move one feet behind it. But also when you have longer legs be careful in your decisions.

Variable skeg
The skeg is operated by a newly developed system which makes the system not vulnerable anymore to cable-cinking when you forget to retract the skeg while landing.
The natural position of the skeg-blade is down: lowered by means of an elastic shock-cord pulling at it all the time. The skeg-blade position is operated by a rope from a system where the operating button is locked by a rattle-device and a pinching button.

The operating if the skeg is not that simple. OK, of course you have to get used to the different way of operating: first squeeze the button and move it. But that is not the problem: sometimes you have to squeeze too hard and then it is hard to move the button. This was the case with both Cetus' in the club. On internet you can find a lot of comments on this. Having read some I understood that it could well be that it has something to do with the rope-material.
Some stories report perfect operation after replacement by P&H. Others are less lucky.
As P&H uses this system on other kayaks as well its not a specific Cetus-problem. May be this helps P&H in finding quickly a good solution for everyone.

Furthermore I observed that the skegblade is very flexible; may be too flexible. I would like to refer to my experiences in following waves where a bigger skeg blade or else may be a stiffer blade could improve the kayaks performance.

Quality
I can be very short here: Quality is outstanding.

Compartments
When you look at the total volume of the Cetus, you know it already: this is a kayak with an big capacity for carrying loads

As you know watertight compartments are vulnerable for over- and under pressure because of temperature changes. Until now kayakkers drill small holes in the bulkheads to normalise the pressure in the compartment.
In the Cetus P&H finally introduced another solution for this problem:
pressure valves.
  

I was not able to test the functioning of them, but I certainly embrace the idea. Maybe you, reader and Cetus owner, can add your experiences.

Dimensions & size
Length: 17’10” # 5,43m
Max. Width: 22.5" # 57 cm
Max Deck Height: 12.2" # 31 cm (front coaming)
Total volume: 100 gal. # 379 litre
Cockpit: 34.25"x20" # 87 x 51 cm
Material/weight:
- Carbon/Kevlar # Weight: 57lbs # 25,9 kg
- fiberglass/diolen # Weight: 64lbs # 29 kg
Optimum Total Load (approx.): 143-297 lbs # 65-135 kg
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Posted on 24 Jan 2010 by René
Cetus in a following sea
Today I attended a tour, organized by Hans Heupink for the Dutch Kayak Association. Due to the expected 7Beaufort-winds the planned surf-session was canceled and instead we made a nice tour in the Voordelta; to say hallo to a lonely seal. wink

I did not take a testkayak with me today, but paddled Willem's Breeze (a clone from Plasmors' Ligue de Bretagne) a trustworthy kayak I did not use frequently yet. Given the wind 5-6Bft, I felt very secure in the stable kayak giving me plenty of opportunities to watch my companions.

Thus I noticed that Govert paddles his new Cetus. Having tested the Cetus myself, this was an opportunity for me to interview him and to record his experiences.

In fact his former experiences did not differ much from mine; written down on this website earlier.

First of all he was very happy with the stability, the great maneuverability, the responsiveness to edging and the big loading capacity.
Less positive he was about the new skeg-rope control because it requires too much force to operate it.
He also mentioned the bad habit of the Cetus to broach quickly in following, surfable, bigger waves.

At the end of the tour I asked him how it was in the following waves today. His experiences were a bit different , more positive, in today's smaller waves of approx. 50cm height. He mentioned he could, in these waves, anticipate well for broaching by just edging the kayak. It takes a moment, but than the kayak responds and kept course well. Probably, paddling in a following sea in a Cetus is something you have to learn.

If the Cetus will respond like that in bigger waves is the question.
I expect that edging in rough(er) conditions can help.
But because most kayaks responds well to their skegs in a following sea, I think that the skeg of the Cetus also is part of the issue. As her skeg is very flexible and because the high forces on the blade, while it works on preventing for broaching, it bends away sideways significantly. As a result, the effective surface of the bent skeg is reduced and while the skeg is a bit small already, I think that the explanation for the behavior in following waves can be found there.
So I think it is a good idea to experiment with a stiffer skegblade. Even better it would be if Valley increases the surface of the skegblade.
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Posted on 01 Nov 2009 by René
Cetus in surf
Today I played in the surf near Bakkum at the Dutch coast. We were there with club-members of the KVU and two guests: Axel and Hans.


During the day the westerly wind increased to 6 Bft, offering good conditions with waves up to 1,5 meter for kayaking in surf. The only drawback was that the tide was going down at the time that the wind was OK. The low tide produces, in combination with the wind, steep and powerful dumping waves which made it a challenge to break through them in order to reach surf-able waves.


I thought that it was about time to paddle the Cetus in surf. Today I could use Leo's. Thx Leo.
And again I was impressed with the stability of the kayak in the confused, hissing sea.



My paddle friends all used short manoeuvrable WW-kayaks, except Axel who brought his surf-shoe-kayak. Normally a seakayak is superior to the short kayaks where it concerns breaking through cresting waves with a kayak. I was surprised however that in the conditions of today the Cetus had definitely no advantage in this. On the contrary, some WW-kayaks could break easier through waves. Whether it was the 5,5 meter length of the Cetus or the high volume of the front-ship I don't know, but the Cetus rose to steep angles when I "climbed" a wave. Probably it was this angle being responsible for the waves pushing the Cetus backwards on every passage.
Looking at the slender bow and the speed of the Cetus I expected the opposite.






That the Cetus did not surf easy wasn't a surprise to me after the last trip on the Hoornse Hop. When catching a wave the Cetus broaches quickly and that was also what I expected. But it goes further than that because she turns very quickly further until she completed a 180 -turn letting me face the wave again. Normally when something like that happens the power of the wave is decreased already but because the Cetus turns so quickly it happened that, once turned, the wave steeped further with me backwards on its face and let me flip backwards.
It could be an option to drop the skeg to improve on this broaching behaviour, but because the forces in surf are high I didn't dare to drop the skeg, being afraid the skeg would break.

Of course today's waves were steep and powerful but I expect this quick-turn habit also to happen in smaller waves only without the backward-flip in that case.

Honestly I did not like the flip because I hit the sand bottom very hard. Knowing that boats can split because of this, I feared the worst for Leo's kayak. However the Cetus was well built and did not show any sign of deterioration.

By the way, the flip was a natural occasion to test rolling in the Cetus. Apart from the washing-machine underwater, rolling was no problem and I was upright at the first attempt, still being on the front of the same wave, which was being scaled down a bit in the meantime.

After that I did a series of high braces and rolls. Rolling was OK but felt, as it did also after the capsize, a bit laborious. It could well be that this observation was caused by being a bit tired. So later I will do some more rolling in quiet water to compare.
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Posted on 11 Oct 2009 by René
A Cetus in wind and waves
Today I paddled the Cetus on the IJsselmeer in a 6-7Bft SW-wind.(gusts up to 8Bft)
A perfect area for testing in the conditions of today was the "Hoornse Hop". We choose to start at Wijdenes and paddle against the wind in the direction of Edam. Doing so we could plan our trip better. As you never know how fast you can go in these winds, you can always turn back once time is over. With this crossing we challenged the heaviest part of the area.

As said, our first leg was against the wind and the second the same way backwards promising some nice surfing.

Normally I count with an average speed of 3 km/h against strong winds, but today we paddled near 5km/h , which is not bad at all. The Cetus, but also Wieger's Exite accompanying me, was not hold back in speed by the steep, short waves when we worked ourselves against the wind. On the contrary: she just glided over the waves only occasionally getting water on the front deck. The only spray I got into my face was caused by the kayak slamming down on the water after particular steep waves.

While paddling against the wind the Cetus behaved a bit nervous because she tried to follow the mixed, disturbed waves and wandered of course quickly. At first I tried to calm her by dropping the skeg a bit, but that was a mistake because this caused leecocking when a wind-gust blew the bow aside. Bad idea, so I hauled the skeg up again. After a while I got used to this behaviour of the Cetus. Actually I was quite happy with her manoeuvrability as this made it easy to bring the Cetus back on track once a wind-gust blew the Cetus of her course. So probably it is not fair to call the Cetus nervous; therefor I think it is best to change that in manoeuvrable.

The stability of the Cetus was outstanding. This is best illustrated by the fact that I could easily take pictures and eat something without support: In this wind with one hand on my paddle.

After 12 km we turned back and we tried to surf as much waves we could. Surfing the Cetus is not very easy because she quickly broaches to a side, even with the skeg dropped completely, when the waves are a bit irregular: She just follows the disturbances in the wave-surface. However: in a very big smooth wave she surfs very well. Fast she goes ;-))
Wieger's Exite just surfs better and he had to wait several times for me, to prevent disappearing after the horizon.
After some time I became tired/hopeless of getting swept 90° of course frequently and turning back on course again and therefor I stopped trying to surf. Instead I just tried to keep the Cetus going on our desired course. This worked quite well as the Cetus did not come to surf on her own. You can mention this as a good and safe characteristic because when you don't get into surf it is easier to control the kayak.
I thought this strategy of not trying to surf being the most convenient way to paddle the Cetus in following waves. Of course I did not reach the speed the Wieger's Exite reached while surfing.

When we approached the headland near to Wijdenes, the wind increased to 7Bft with gusts up to 8Bft. This spot is normally the most turbulant of the area, but now the water grew wild and the waves were somewhere between 1,5-2 meters high. Fascinating!
But: in the middle of this circus my footrest on the right side suddenly move forward out of reach of my foot. The adjustment system of the footrest, as I saw afterwards, just released the blocking mechanism. Probably the continuous slamming down waves during the trip made it turn a bit. OR, I just did not block it correctly.
However: without footcontact it is difficult to make fun in these conditions.
If you have a P&H-kayak with this new easy-adjust-footbrace-system, I would like to warn you to adjust and lock the footbraces properly to prevent for the experience I had.

With only 1 footbrace left, I had to switch to a survival-strategy in the big waves, meaning that I prevented coming into a surf, preventing on broaching and keeping the kayak on course while bracing if a wave started cresting and letting the wind blow me further. I was very happy with the stability of the Cetus at this moment because this surely helped in controlling the kayak while having insufficient contact in the cockpit. I am not sure if I could perform a roll with only 1 footbrace.
That this last part had been a tiring way of paddling became clear to me when I entered the little harbour of Wijdenes. I had to turn left into the wind to enter it and I hauled up the skeg to make this turn easier, using of the weathercock-tendency of the kayak. Only a few sweepstrokes were necessary to make the turn, but doing so the delta muscles of my back cramped and I had to stretch them between strokes. This cramping was new to me; never experienced this before.

Nevertheless this was a very interesting trip with the Cetus and I can appreciate her under these circumstances: I felt quite safe during the trip.
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Posted on 03 Oct 2009 by René
Greenlander in more wind. (continued 4)
Yesterday, on Wednesday-evening, I paddled the Greenlander from home to the club in a 5 Bft wind including a longer course on the Alkmaardermeer.

Until now I paddled her in less or no wind. But now it was becoming more serious and I think it gave me much more confidence for using her at sea later. smile

Until now I did not yet work on the customising of the cockpit, except that I removed the knee-tube which did not fit me at all and also made entering the cockpit a dangerous exercise for my knees.
Customising will be very important as the deck is quite high and gives no grip for my knees at all at the moment.
So, I was paddling in 5Bft with no hip-contact and no knee-contact with my knee-position in the middle of the cockpit.

Nevertheless I was very happy as the Greenlander could be steered perfectly with hip-movements. Stability was also good under the conditions with waves up to 40cm. Which is quite good, taking into account that I had no contact in the cockpit at all.
The only moment a missed knee-contact was when steering around a little headland away from the wind, where edging was necessary to turn the kayak more professionally.

While running for the wind and waves, with the skeg down , the Greenlander behaved quite course-stable.

The Greenlander weathercocks a little bit, but this was perfectly trimmed with the variable skeg.

Paddling against the waves made a wet ride is the bow splices the waves. Comparing with the Explorer, paddling next to me, learned me that the Explorer had a complete dry ride under these conditions.
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Posted on 17 Sep 2009 by René

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